Conversation with Lucifer. Elena Sidelnikova
you became the beginning of all beings separated from God, what, in this system, is the Hierarchy of Dark Forces and the Hierarchy of Light Forces?
You often simplify everything into one. Hierarchy is simply a structure according to the degree of separation, separation from God. It’s like steps toward God or away from God: an infinite and multidimensional ladder of Life’s movement, where, infinitely high above, is God, and infinitely far below, there is also God.
But the movement upward is the removal of restrictions through breaking, overcoming the densified boundaries of oneself, and the movement downward is the creation of additional boundaries within oneself and further separation from God.
Look, you are growing, and your awareness is growing, and you begin to understand and realize that your boundaries are barriers you have created between yourself and God, and you strive to go beyond your boundaries, you strive to expand. And when you finally go beyond your boundaries, you understand that you have again gone outside yourself. Because beyond your boundary is also you, but before this moment of densification. And beyond the next boundary, there is also you, only you in a less dense form. And so it goes on infinitely, until you reach your original state. This is your movement, as a part of God, along the path of overcoming boundaries, along the path upward on the Ladder of the Universe.
But there are also those who do not want to climb the ladder, they choose to descend because the ladder is infinite in many directions.
What is the descent? It is the creation within oneself of other boundaries of oneself, even more densification of oneself and distancing oneself not outside, but within oneself. That is, it is the path of further, even deeper separation from God, separation from the original state.
Each of you infinitely ascends and descends the Ladder of the Universe. And then, your closeness to God is not represented by the curve of your path but by the shortest distance.
But all these explanations are far from reality because they describe a linear model, whereas reality itself is multidimensional.
Imagine: an infinite number of versions of you are traveling across countless Ladders of the Universe.
And the Hierarchy of Light Forces are entities that have either reached certain levels of closeness to God or have not created their separation and are not descending the Ladder.
And the Hierarchy of Darkness are those who have distanced themselves from God the most in their wandering along the Ladders of the Universe.
And Angels?
Angels are the qualities of God.
You possess certain qualities that define you as a being and as a person. For example, kindness. Or stubbornness. Or the pursuit of knowledge. Or disbelief. There are many qualities. But your qualities change very often. In the universe, in general, nothing is permanent, but there are some qualities of God that are consistently and steadily inherent in Him. These are Angels, as the embodiment of His qualities.
But you are also an Angel. So, what quality of God do you embody? What you call curiosity. And what place do you occupy on this Ladder of the Universe?
I am the beginning of the steps. The first step—both upward and downward.
But since there is no up or down, but rather a degree of separation from God, I am the beginning of separation from God, I am the first glimmer of God.
But does that mean that if a person returns to God, overcoming the boundaries of themselves, they will sooner or later come to you, as the first step of the Ladder of Separation?
Yes, you’ve understood correctly. That is exactly what happened to Jesus in the desert. He overcame the last—or rather, the first—step and reunited with God. He managed to overcome the illusion of separation and step into the infinity of himself.
So, it turns out you are not to blame for anything? What is guilt? The feeling that you have done something wrong, taken an incorrect action, so much so that you want to fix everything.
So—a feeling that I have taken an inexpedient action, since there is no right or wrong?
No, I didn’t take an inexpedient action, as it led to a new turn in the development of the universe.
But when everything started, I didn’t foresee to what extent the separation from God would reach and what it would lead to.
Isn’t the future known to you?
The future is multi-variant, and it is always in development.
When you plant a seed, you have a general idea of what kind of tree it will grow into. And the tree grows, putting down new roots and branches. But you cannot foresee the fate of every leaf. Some branches may wither or fail to develop, while others may grow excessively, reaching towards the Sun, and so on.
Tell me, is there love among the Dark ones, those who chose separation from God and descent down the Ladder of the Universe?
Love exists everywhere because it is the fundamental creative quality of God, the essence of His creative energy. But, descending down the Ladder of the Universe, this quality seems to weaken. It’s like a bright red color becoming dimmer, murkier, and paler. The further the degree of reflection and distortion, the less love there is as a creative energy.
But then how does the process of creation occur in the dark structures?
It is reversed, mirrored.
Creation above is expansion. Creation below is compression. Two mirror processes because compression is also expansion, but inward.
But more on that later, if you wish. There is still much for you to understand.
Part 4. Light and Darkness. The Illusions of God
Tell me, how did the division between light and dark occur? If each of us is merely a reflection of God, then why is there polarization and opposition?
The ocean is a very rich analogy. You are a drop in the ocean. And you, as a drop, make your own movements, that is, changes. The drop evaporates and rises into the sky. There it becomes part of a cloud, or a snowflake, or crystallizes back into a drop. But first, it becomes part of the cloud. The cloud is also part of the ocean. But the cloud is in the sky, and it contains many drops of the ocean. Then some of these drops, which have become part of the cloud, which is part of the ocean, turn into either snowflakes or back into drops and fall as snow or rain. But some snowflakes are scattered by the wind and carried far from the ocean. And there, uniting into streams, they always strive to return to the ocean, but their path is now long and winding.
And many times they will become clouds and pour down as precipitation, but sooner or later they will return to their source—the Ocean. And they will discover that the ocean is not just the sum of its drops, but something else, more complex. And it is possible to travel not only to the heavens as clouds but also within the ocean as currents. When they travel as drops, they seem freer, as it appears to them. And this path, of course, is more difficult. After all, the drop constantly needs to find its way home to the ocean. It is much easier to travel together with the currents in the ocean.
Rising up as vapor, a drop can become a snowflake. And by becoming a snowflake, it is more rigidly fixed in relation to the external environment. Indeed, you see the beautiful patterns of snowflakes. They are beautiful, but they are cold and seem different from the drop, although in essence they are the same. And you say they are different, not like you.
I think I understand your allegory. But still, what is Darkness?
And what is Light?
Light is the essence of God, that which He is made of.
Yes. Composed of. You do not see the movement of essence. God exists, and He is unknowable. Why? Because a part of God can only comprehend Him by ceasing to be a part. But by ceasing to be a part, it will stop the process of knowing, for there will be nothing to know. When it is God, it does not strive for knowledge, since it is already endowed with all the knowledge and qualities of God. But as soon as it separates